From snodawg@aol.com Fri Mar 3 13:53:39 EDT 1995 Article: 29473 of rec.climbing Xref: dmssyd.syd.dms.CSIRO.AU rec.climbing:29473 Path: dmssyd.syd.dms.CSIRO.AU!metro!news.cs.su.oz.au!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!msunews!uwm.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!uunet!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: snodawg@aol.com (Sno Dawg) Newsgroups: rec.climbing Subject: Re: What's a Kill-O-Newton? Date: 21 Feb 1995 22:10:20 -0500 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 33 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <3ie9us$e5t@newsbf02.news.aol.com> References: <3hvgg5$4n7@india.lm.com> Reply-To: snodawg@aol.com (Sno Dawg) NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com Although kN's might be the proper way to express a piece of gears strength, I always convert kN's into lbs (224.8 lbs = 1 kN) and then think of it in terms of how much a car weighs. For example, 10kN equals about 2,248 lbs, which is about half the weight of a compact car. 25 kN is about 5,620 lbs, which is about the weight of a BMW. I've seen a few attempts at mathematically trying to quantify the forces involved in a climbing fall, but they required such sweeping generalities that they didn't correlate to reality at all. Some of the factors that effect the fall force are: - Amount of rope out - Elongation of the rope - Tightness of the knot - The number of pieces placed and the friction that they cause - The type of belay device - The forces absorbed by the human body - How tightly the belayer is anchored The best demonstration of fall forces I've ever seen was one done by the head tester at REI, where he substituted a load cell in place of a quickdraw on an overhanging indoor climbing wall. He then had the climber take a few falls and a computer plotted the forces. The fall scenarios were almost identical, but the results varied quite a bit depending on the factors mentioned above. In the worst case scenario, the belayer was firmly anchored, using a fairly static belay device, the knot was tight and the rope had been fallen on recently. The climber took a typical sport climbing fall, about 5 feet above the last bolt and fell a total of about 10-12 feet. The load peaked out at about 1,900 lbs (8.5 kN), which is getting into the open gate breaking strength of some lightweight biners, small stoppers and aid placements. Andrew