From billfoote@aol.com Fri Apr 21 18:14:13 EST 1995 Article: 3760 of rec.climbing Xref: news.nsw.CSIRO.AU rec.climbing:3760 Path: news.nsw.CSIRO.AU!crux.rp.CSIRO.AU!dmssyd.syd.dms.CSIRO.AU!news.dmpe.CSIRO.AU!mel.dit.csiro.au!merlin!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!msunews!uwm.edu!news.moneng.mei.com!howland.reston.ans.net!newsjunkie.ans.net!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: billfoote@aol.com (BillFoote) Newsgroups: rec.climbing Subject: Re: Fall Factor Math - Was Need Help Phys/Engr Date: 19 Apr 1995 15:17:24 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 64 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <3n3nk4$p98@newsbf02.news.aol.com> References: <3n1t4d$e1n@newsbf02.news.aol.com> Reply-To: billfoote@aol.com (BillFoote) NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com Anthony Bubb replied directly to author and wrote (paraphrased) |> No... the rope will exceed the elastic limit and go into plastic deformation... I would suggest that if a rope is designed to withstand a factor-2 fall, then it will not reach it's elastic limit (yield point) when loaded below that factor-2 force, so the analysis should be fairly correct in that load range. If the rope DOES go into plastic deformation, it is in the process of failing. OK, it might in a really bad fall (factor 2 perhaps), but as illustrated below the max forces calculated should still be conservative numbers. As shown below, (QUALITATIVELY), when a material reaches it's elastic limit, or yield point, Y, the stress-strain curve levels off. The slope of the curve shown below is the material's Modulus of Elasticity, or the reciprocal of the "spring constant" k used in my analysis. So, as the material is loaded beyond Y, the change in the slope (modulus) will result in the actual forces being less than those calculated using the original equation. (The equation assumes a straight line stress-strain relationship). As originally stated, this is a CONSERVATIVE analysis, and ACTUAL forces should not exceed the values produced by this equation. This is not to say that the effect on the rope is less severe. Exceeding the elastic limit means severe damage to the rope, and it should be retired! | *<-results from the provided equation | * | * | * + U = ultimate strenght (breaks here) | * + | * + ^ | * + |__ more realistic stress-strain curve | * Y | *+ Force | + (stress) | + | + | + | + |+ +---------------------------------------------------- Stretch (strain) BillFoote@aol.com P.S. A interesting thing to note: According to this analysis, there is no difference (impact force - wise) between a 2-foot factor-2 fall and a 160-foot factor-2 fall, or a 2-inch factor-2 fall! Should a rope be retired if one, for example, falls 4 inches with only 4 inches of rope paid out? THIS IS A FACTOR-2 FALL!!!