From snodawg@aol.com Tue Jul 25 16:38:38 EST 1995 Article: 5688 of rec.climbing Xref: news.nsw.CSIRO.AU rec.climbing:5688 Path: news.nsw.CSIRO.AU!crux.rp.CSIRO.AU!dmssyd.syd.dms.CSIRO.AU!its.csiro.au!mel.dit.csiro.au!merlin!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!simtel!news.kei.com!eff!news.duke.edu!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!hobbes.cc.uga.edu!cssun.mathcs.emory.edu!emory!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news-e1a.megaweb.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: snodawg@aol.com (Sno Dawg) Newsgroups: rec.climbing Subject: Greatest climbing/exp'd books of all time? Date: 11 Jul 1995 21:11:13 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 13 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <3tv7fh$s1d@newsbf02.news.aol.com> Reply-To: snodawg@aol.com (Sno Dawg) NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com I was wondering what people thought were their top three mountaineering/expeditioning books. I'm not vastly read up on the subject, but here are my favorites... #1 "Endurance" - Shackeltons Antarctic Voyage - truly gripping #2 "Mixed Emotions" Various essays by Greg Childs #3 "Downward Bound" Warren Harding's flame war to end all flame wars! Dishonorable mention: Jim Bridwells book. Considering the potential, I couldn't even make it through the first chapter. Andrew From shunt@redpnt.com Tue Jul 25 16:38:47 EST 1995 Article: 5702 of rec.climbing Xref: news.nsw.CSIRO.AU rec.climbing:5702 Path: news.nsw.CSIRO.AU!crux.rp.CSIRO.AU!dmssyd.syd.dms.CSIRO.AU!its.csiro.au!mel.dit.csiro.au!merlin!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!simtel!lll-winken.llnl.gov!enews.sgi.com!sgigate.sgi.com!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!ns1.unicomp.net!news.unicomp.net!usenet From: Steve Hunt Newsgroups: rec.climbing Subject: Re: Greatest climbing/exp'd books of all time? Date: 12 Jul 1995 06:13:54 GMT Organization: Redpoint Graphics Lines: 3 Message-ID: <3tvp72$t7p@news.unicomp.net> References: <3tv7fh$s1d@newsbf02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: unicomp56.unicomp.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (Windows; I; 16bit) Touching the Viod. Not much on the technical aspect of expeditions, but one hell of an epic. From sandwik@aol.com Tue Jul 25 16:38:52 EST 1995 Article: 5912 of rec.climbing Xref: news.nsw.CSIRO.AU rec.climbing:5912 Path: news.nsw.CSIRO.AU!metro!munnari.oz.au!uunet!in1.uu.net!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!news-e1a.megaweb.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: sandwik@aol.com (SANDWIK) Newsgroups: rec.climbing Subject: Re: Greatest climbing/exp'd books of all time? Date: 12 Jul 1995 08:25:48 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 1 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <3u0f0c$7vl@newsbf02.news.aol.com> References: <3tvp72$t7p@news.unicomp.net> Reply-To: sandwik@aol.com (SANDWIK) NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com Herzog's Annapurna From mabra@pcmail.nerc-bas.ac.uk Tue Jul 25 16:39:02 EST 1995 Article: 6077 of rec.climbing Xref: news.nsw.CSIRO.AU rec.climbing:6077 Path: news.nsw.CSIRO.AU!ringer.syd.dwt.csiro.au!dmssyd.syd.dms.CSIRO.AU!its.csiro.au!mel.dit.csiro.au!merlin!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!simtel!lll-winken.llnl.gov!hookup!gatech!news.sprintlink.net!demon!uknet!newsfeed.ed.ac.uk!nerc-keyworth!pcmail.nerc-bas.ac.uk!mabra From: mabra@pcmail.nerc-bas.ac.uk (Mark Brandon) Newsgroups: rec.climbing Subject: Re: Greatest climbing/exp'd books of all time? Date: Thu, 13 Jul 1995 11:26:29 Organization: British Antarctic Survey Lines: 16 Message-ID: References: <3tvp72$t7p@news.unicomp.net> <3u0f0c$7vl@newsbf02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 192.171.138.63 X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev A] In article <3u0f0c$7vl@newsbf02.news.aol.com> sandwik@aol.com (SANDWIK) writes: >Subject: Re: Greatest climbing/exp'd books of all time? >From: sandwik@aol.com (SANDWIK) >Date: 12 Jul 1995 08:25:48 -0400 >Herzog's Annapurna yup - its excellent. but you have to include Apsley Cherry Garrard's "Worst Journey in the World" and I am not so sure about this one? Joe Tasker "Savage Arena"? for audacity Fellicio Bennuzzi (sp?) "No picnick on Mount Kenya" mark From jmccoy@dow.com Tue Jul 25 16:39:09 EST 1995 Article: 5866 of rec.climbing Xref: news.nsw.CSIRO.AU rec.climbing:5866 Path: news.nsw.CSIRO.AU!ringer.syd.dwt.csiro.au!dmssyd.syd.dms.CSIRO.AU!its.csiro.au!mel.dit.csiro.au!merlin!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!simtel!news.sprintlink.net!gatech!newsjunkie.ans.net!attila.dow.com!md41236.md.dow.com!u079500 From: jmccoy@dow.com (Mad Dog) Newsgroups: rec.climbing Subject: Re: Greatest climbing/exp'd books of all time? Date: Wed, 12 Jul 95 12:35:42 GMT Organization: The Dow Chemical Company Lines: 30 Message-ID: References: <3tv7fh$s1d@newsbf02.news.aol.com> <3tvp72$t7p@news.unicomp.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: na1.dow.com X-Newsreader: VersaTerm Link v1.1.5 In Article <3tvp72$t7p@news.unicomp.net>, Steve Hunt wrote: >Touching the Void. I don't believe in "greatest", so here's a list of GREAT BOOKS: -Jerzy Kukuska (sp?) : My Vertical World (He accomplished quite an amazing feat with little resources) -Rick Ridgeway : K2 The Last Step (I like the personaliy interaction descriptions) -Peter Boardman: The Shining Mountain -Edward Whimper: Scrambles Amongst the Alps -Lionel Terray : (forget the name but it's about the Andes) -Reinhold Messner : All 14 Eight Thousanders (it loses something in the translation and is written from a defensive posture at times but still is an amazing document) -Joe Tasker : Savage Arena -John Long: Tales from the Steep( Tobin on The Green Arch: YES!) -John Krakaur : (forget the name but it's a bunch of good short stories) -Joe Brown : The Hard Years -Charles Huston : K2: 8611m -Lionel Terray : Conquistadors of the Useless -John Roskelly : Nanda Devi (shows what happens when ambition clouds one's judgement) -Herman Buhl: Nanga Parbat Pilgrimage -Maurice Herzog: Annapurna -Heinrich Harrer: The White Spider -Jeff Long: The Ascent -Steve Roper: Camp 4 That'll keep you busy thru the winter. JMc From jrbd@rainbow.rmii.com Tue Jul 25 16:39:20 EST 1995 Article: 5554 of rec.climbing Xref: news.nsw.CSIRO.AU rec.climbing:5554 Path: news.nsw.CSIRO.AU!crux.rp.CSIRO.AU!dmssyd.syd.dms.CSIRO.AU!its.csiro.au!mel.dit.csiro.au!munnari.oz.au!spool.mu.edu!agate!news.mindlink.net!vanbc.wimsey.com!news.rmii.com!rainbow.rmii.com!not-for-mail From: jrbd@rainbow.rmii.com (James R. B. Davies) Newsgroups: rec.climbing Subject: Re: Greatest climbing/exp'd books of all time? Date: 12 Jul 1995 15:44:52 -0600 Organization: Rocky Mountain Internet, Inc Lines: 6 Message-ID: <3u1fok$7m6@rainbow.rmii.com> References: <3tv7fh$s1d@newsbf02.news.aol.com> <3tvp72$t7p@news.unicomp.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: rainbow.rmii.com In article <3tvp72$t7p@news.unicomp.net>, Steve Hunt wrote: >Touching the Viod. >Not much on the technical aspect of expeditions, but one hell of an epic. Simpson's autobiographical "sequel", _This Game of Ghosts_, is also quite good. I'll also second the recommendation of Herzog's _Annapurna_. From ae429@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Tue Jul 25 16:39:27 EST 1995 Article: 6398 of rec.climbing Xref: news.nsw.CSIRO.AU rec.climbing:6398 Newsgroups: rec.climbing Path: news.nsw.CSIRO.AU!mel.dit.csiro.au!munnari.oz.au!news.unimelb.EDU.AU!aggedor.rmit.EDU.AU!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!simtel!news.kei.com!newshost.marcam.com!zip.eecs.umich.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!utnut!nott!cunews!freenet.carleton.ca!FreeNet.Carleton.CA!ae429 From: ae429@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Oscar Jacobs) Subject: Re: Greatest climbing/exp'd books of all time? Message-ID: Sender: ae429@freenet3.carleton.ca (Oscar Jacobs) Reply-To: ae429@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Oscar Jacobs) Organization: The National Capital FreeNet References: <3tv7fh$s1d@newsbf02.news.aol.com> Date: Wed, 12 Jul 1995 11:34:40 GMT Lines: 26 Sno Dawg (snodawg@aol.com) writes: > I was wondering what people thought were their top three > mountaineering/expeditioning books. I'm not vastly read up on the > subject, but here are my favorites... > My top three would look something like: 1. Short Walk in the Hindu Kush, Eric Newby (not much climbing but great classic travel writing) 2. Touching the Void, Joe Simpson (the epic of all time) 3. Either Mixed Emotions or Thin Air by Greg Child, (after reading loads of books bitching about porter trouble in Baltistan, soooo refreshing to have someone look at it from their perspective) Homourable Mentions: One Man's Mountains, Tom Patey; Burgess Book of Lies; Rock Junction, John Long. Cheers, Oscar Jacobs From hartouni@umahp4.phast.umass.edu Tue Jul 25 16:40:02 EST 1995 Article: 6137 of rec.climbing Xref: news.nsw.CSIRO.AU rec.climbing:6137 Path: news.nsw.CSIRO.AU!dmssyd.syd.dms.CSIRO.AU!its.csiro.au!mel.dit.csiro.au!merlin!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!simtel!news.kei.com!nntp.et.byu.edu!news.mtholyoke.edu!news.umass.edu!rcfnews.cs.umass.edu!usenet From: Ed Hartouni Newsgroups: rec.climbing Subject: Re: Greatest climbing/exp'd books of all time? Date: 13 Jul 1995 14:32:13 GMT Organization: UMass Amherst, Physics & Astronomy Lines: 35 Message-ID: <3u3apd$6h7@kernighan.cs.umass.edu> References: <3tv7fh$s1d@newsbf02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: umahp4.phast.umass.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (X11; I; IRIX 5.2 IP7) X-URL: news:DBLpHt.2pE@freenet.carleton.ca Here are some more great books to add to the list! The Games Climbers Play, ed. K.Wilson, an anthology of articles and stories... Deborah , D.Roberts, a great book about a failed attempt on Mt. Deborah Mountain of My Fear, D.Roberts, another great book about a successful new route on Mt. Huntington Seven Years in Tibet, H.Harrer, what would you have done if you were a German national climbing in India at the outbreak of WWII? This is an incredible story! Rock, Snow and Ice, G.Rebuffat a classic from the end of the "Golden Age" and all of the books by E.Shipton: "Land of Tempest: Travels in Patagonia", "Men Against Everest", "Mountains of Tartary", "Nanda Devi", "That Untravelled World", "The Mount Everest Reconnaissance Expedition, 1952", "Upon That Mountain"... Shipton and Tillman made a number of very light expeditions to places not yet on the map, both wrote about their experiences -- Ed Hartouni Department of Physics & Astronomy rm 928 Lederle GRT University of Massachusetts Amherst, MA 01003 (413)545-0993 (office) (413)545-0648 (FAX) hartouni@umahp4.phast.umass.edu hartouni@fnal.fnal.gov From Khurana@HUSC3.harvard.edu Tue Jul 25 16:40:08 EST 1995 Article: 5711 of rec.climbing Xref: news.nsw.CSIRO.AU rec.climbing:5711 Path: news.nsw.CSIRO.AU!crux.rp.CSIRO.AU!dmssyd.syd.dms.CSIRO.AU!its.csiro.au!mel.dit.csiro.au!merlin!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!simtel!zombie.ncsc.mil!news.duke.edu!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!purdue!oitnews.harvard.edu!NewsWatcher!user From: Khurana@HUSC3.harvard.edu (Teji Khurana) Newsgroups: rec.climbing Subject: Re: Greatest climbing/exp'd books of all time? Followup-To: rec.climbing Date: 12 Jul 1995 13:30:55 GMT Organization: Harvard Medical School Lines: 3 Message-ID: References: <3tv7fh$s1d@newsbf02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 134.174.159.180 1. White spider by harrer 2. Travel books (or something like that) by Tilman 3. No picnic on Mt. Kenya by Felice Bannuzi From opland@saifr00.ateng.az.honeywell.com Tue Jul 25 16:40:15 EST 1995 Article: 6164 of rec.climbing Xref: news.nsw.CSIRO.AU rec.climbing:6164 Path: news.nsw.CSIRO.AU!dmssyd.syd.dms.CSIRO.AU!its.csiro.au!mel.dit.csiro.au!merlin!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!simtel!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!news.moneng.mei.com!uwm.edu!src.honeywell.com!The-Star.honeywell.com!bmw.hwcae.az.Honeywell.COM!usenet From: Greg Opland Newsgroups: rec.climbing Subject: Re: Greatest climbing/exp'd books of all time? Date: 13 Jul 1995 15:06:43 GMT Organization: Honeywell, Air Transport Systems Division; Phoenix, AZ Lines: 25 Message-ID: <3u3cq3$kqo@bmw.hwcae.az.Honeywell.COM> References: <3tv7fh$s1d@newsbf02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ami10.ateng.az.honeywell.com Now we can't have this book stuff on the net! Eugene will start thinking we're actually literate (in spite of some of the atrocious spelling felonies?). How about: Seven Years in Tibet, by Harrer is supposed to be pretty good, although it's about four books down on my pile of "things to read" at the moment. If it proves to be good reading, I may get the sequel, Return to Tibet. His book, the White Spider is a classic. Also good (good reading, maybe not "of all time" material, however): Burgess Book of Lies is good reading so far... Savage Arena by Joe Tasker was kind of interesting. Angels of Light and Ascent by Jeff Long were both good. Seven Summits was fun to read. By Rick Ridgeway/Dick Bass Thin Air by Greg Child, not bad. Wofgang Gullich's bio by Tilman Hepp was good. Most anything by John Long is enjoyable. G. From stuart@spacemanspiff.den.mmc.com Tue Jul 25 16:40:22 EST 1995 Article: 5716 of rec.climbing Xref: news.nsw.CSIRO.AU rec.climbing:5716 Newsgroups: rec.climbing Path: news.nsw.CSIRO.AU!crux.rp.CSIRO.AU!dmssyd.syd.dms.CSIRO.AU!news.dmpe.CSIRO.AU!mel.dit.csiro.au!merlin!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!simtel!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!boulder!news.coop.net!news.den.mmc.com!spacemanspiff.den.mmc.com!stuart From: stuart@spacemanspiff.den.mmc.com (Stuart Marlatt) Subject: Re: Greatest climbing/exp'd books of all time? Message-ID: <1995Jul12.143018.27683@den.mmc.com> Sender: news@den.mmc.com (News Admin) Nntp-Posting-Host: spacemanspiff Organization: Martin Marietta, Denver References: <3tv7fh$s1d@newsbf02.news.aol.com> Date: Wed, 12 Jul 1995 14:30:18 GMT Lines: 40 In article <3tv7fh$s1d@newsbf02.news.aol.com> snodawg@aol.com (Sno Dawg) writes: >I was wondering what people thought were their top three >mountaineering/expeditioning books. I'm not vastly read up on the >subject, but here are my favorites... > >#1 "Endurance" - Shackeltons Antarctic Voyage - truly gripping >#2 "Mixed Emotions" Various essays by Greg Childs >#3 "Downward Bound" Warren Harding's flame war to end all flame wars! Be sure to add "Savage Arena," by Joe Tasker to any such list. Place it near the top. (It may inspire you to read "The Shining Mountain," Peter Boardman, and "The Unclimbed Ridge," Chris Bonnington, but these are not quite up to the former). Worsley's "Shackelton's Boat Journey" is a good companion to "Endurance." Other good books: "Climb: A History of Colorado Rock Climbing." Godfrey & Chelton "Beyond the Vertical." Layton Kor "Games Climbers Play." ed. Wilson (anthology) "Mirrors in the Cliffs." ed. ??? (another anthology - as always with such, some entries are superior to others) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ I speak truth, not so much as I would, but as much as I dare; and I dare little the more, as I grow older; for, methinks, custom allows age more liberty of prating, and more indiscretion of talking of a man's self. -Michel de Montaigne (Essais) .............................................................................. s.w. marlatt, phd <>< & *(:-) Prov. 25.2 Lockheed Martin Astronautics stuart@spacemanspiff.den.mmc.com M/S L5740, P.O. Box 179 (303) 977-0136 Denver, CO 80201 (303) 977-5853 (fax) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From eugene@pioneer.arc.nasa.gov Tue Jul 25 16:40:42 EST 1995 Article: 6132 of rec.climbing Xref: news.nsw.CSIRO.AU rec.climbing:6132 Path: news.nsw.CSIRO.AU!dmssyd.syd.dms.CSIRO.AU!its.csiro.au!mel.dit.csiro.au!merlin!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!simtel!zombie.ncsc.mil!news.duke.edu!convex!cs.utexas.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!caen!night.primate.wisc.edu!ames!onramp.arc.nasa.gov!pioneer.arc.nasa.gov!eugene From: eugene@pioneer.arc.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya) Newsgroups: rec.climbing Subject: Re: Greatest climbing/exp'd books of all time? Date: 13 Jul 1995 03:15:48 GMT Organization: NASA Ames Res. Ctr. Mtn Vw CA 94035 Lines: 36 Message-ID: <3u2354$n0l@onramp.arc.nasa.gov> References: <3tv7fh$s1d@newsbf02.news.aol.com> <1995Jul12.143018.27683@den.mmc.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: pioneer.arc.nasa.gov In article <3tv7fh$s1d@newsbf02.news.aol.com> snodawg@aol.com (Sno Dawg) writes: >>#1 "Endurance" - Shackeltons Antarctic Voyage - truly gripping In article <1995Jul12.143018.27683@den.mmc.com> stuart@spacemanspiff.den.mmc.com (Stuart Marlatt) writes: >Worsley's "Shackelton's Boat Journey" is a good companion to "Endurance." >climbers, mountaineers, backpackers, etc. It puts in good perspective just >how soft and luxurious we have become...next time you abort a trip because >your down bag gets wet, go back and reread the story of this trip. By God, >those were men.> I am supposed to chime in here as representative for John Morton: "On Endurance: Panty waists. All these other guys tales [i.e. not Endurance] are panty waists." There. Manly men. Herzog and Bonnington read as a contrast are good. Davidson in Minus 148F is good. Buhl was good. Patey was funny. Benuzzi is good. I like some of the stories in Rowell's Vert World. Roberts is a good read. Harrer. Cherry-Gerard in a more Lansing Endurance vein. From mitchell@datacomm.iue.it Tue Jul 25 16:40:49 EST 1995 Article: 6037 of rec.climbing Xref: news.nsw.CSIRO.AU rec.climbing:6037 Path: news.nsw.CSIRO.AU!ringer.syd.dwt.csiro.au!dmssyd.syd.dms.CSIRO.AU!its.csiro.au!mel.dit.csiro.au!merlin!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!simtel!oleane!jussieu.fr!univ-lyon1.fr!serra.unipi.it!usenet From: mitchell@datacomm.iue.it Newsgroups: rec.climbing Subject: Re: Greatest climbing/exp'd books of all time? Date: 13 Jul 1995 08:11:00 GMT Organization: EUI Lines: 12 Message-ID: <3u2kek$k29@serra.unipi.it> References: <3tv7fh$s1d@newsbf02.news.aol.com> <1995Jul12.143018.27683@den.mmc.com> <3u2354$n0l@onramp.arc.nasa.gov> NNTP-Posting-Host: mitchel.iue.it Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (Windows; I; 16bit) Hello, hello, you've gotta' read "Conversations with Climbers", it's a simple book that interviews anyone who's ever been anyone in climbing and still around to chat about it. People like ; Lyn Hill, Catherine Destiveille, Jeff Lowe, Peter Croft, Bonatti, Harding, Gullich, Cesen, Kurteyka (ignore the spelling) - basically the book is FUCKING brilliant. The names aren't in any order and I'm certain I've missed out a few equally famous names, Cheer',s John M. From teja@tempst.enet.dec.com Tue Jul 25 16:41:02 EST 1995 Article: 5855 of rec.climbing Xref: news.nsw.CSIRO.AU rec.climbing:5855 Path: news.nsw.CSIRO.AU!ringer.syd.dwt.csiro.au!dmssyd.syd.dms.CSIRO.AU!its.csiro.au!mel.dit.csiro.au!merlin!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!simtel!swidir.switch.ch!newsfeed.ACO.net!Austria.EU.net!EU.net!Germany.EU.net!howland.reston.ans.net!nntp.crl.com!decwrl!pa.dec.com!depot.mro.dec.com!mrnews.mro.dec.com!tempst.enet.dec.com!teja From: teja@tempst.enet.dec.com () Newsgroups: rec.climbing Subject: Re: Greatest climbing/exp'd books of all time? Date: 12 Jul 1995 19:05:59 GMT Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation Lines: 25 Distribution: world Message-ID: <3u16en$ap2@mrnews.mro.dec.com> References: <3tv7fh$s1d@newsbf02.news.aol.com> Reply-To: teja@tempst.enet.dec.com () NNTP-Posting-Host: tempst.cxo.dec.com X-Newsreader: mxrn 6.18-32 In article <3tv7fh$s1d@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, snodawg@aol.com (Sno Dawg) writes: |>I was wondering what people thought were their top three |>mountaineering/expeditioning books. I'm not vastly read up on the |>subject, but here are my favorites... |> |>#1 "Endurance" - Shackeltons Antarctic Voyage - truly gripping |>#2 "Mixed Emotions" Various essays by Greg Childs |>#3 "Downward Bound" Warren Harding's flame war to end all flame wars! |> |> |>Dishonorable mention: Jim Bridwells book. Considering the potential, I |>couldn't even make it through the first chapter. |> |>Andrew |> My short list: #1 Touching The Void by Joe Simpson - Gripping story of survival! #2 Nanda Devi by Rothskelly(sp?)- Interesting team dynamics #3 The Everest Years by (the great, well known Himalayan Climber whose name escapes me at the moment). d.t. From jmccoy@dow.com Tue Jul 25 16:41:07 EST 1995 Article: 6229 of rec.climbing Xref: news.nsw.CSIRO.AU rec.climbing:6229 Path: news.nsw.CSIRO.AU!dmssyd.syd.dms.CSIRO.AU!its.csiro.au!mel.dit.csiro.au!merlin!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!simtel!noc.netcom.net!news.sprintlink.net!gatech!newsjunkie.ans.net!attila.dow.com!md41236.md.dow.com!u079500 From: jmccoy@dow.com (Mad Dog) Newsgroups: rec.climbing Subject: Re: Greatest climbing/exp'd books of all time? Date: Thu, 13 Jul 95 19:58:04 GMT Organization: The Dow Chemical Company Lines: 16 Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <3tv7fh$s1d@newsbf02.news.aol.com> <3u16en$ap2@mrnews.mro.dec.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: na1.dow.com X-Newsreader: VersaTerm Link v1.1.5 In Article <3u16en$ap2@mrnews.mro.dec.com>, teja@tempst.enet.dec.com () wrote: SNIP! >My short list: > >#1 Touching The Void by Joe Simpson - Gripping story of survival! >#2 Nanda Devi by Rothskelly(sp?)- Interesting team dynamics >#3 The Everest Years by (the great, well known Himalayan Climber whose > name escapes me at the moment). Dat be Chris Bonnington methinks. OK, we're getting real redundant all over again deja vue come again hit me upside the head enuff times and I might remember. How's about if we just hear about titles we haven't heard about already, already, OK, OK? From whitehead_gerard@jpmorgan.com Tue Jul 25 16:41:11 EST 1995 Article: 5980 of rec.climbing Xref: news.nsw.CSIRO.AU rec.climbing:5980 Path: news.nsw.CSIRO.AU!mel.dit.csiro.au!munnari.oz.au!yarrina.connect.com.au!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!simtel!news.kei.com!newshost.marcam.com!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!newsjunkie.ans.net!jpmorgan.com!usenet From: "Gerard Whitehead, AD" Newsgroups: rec.climbing Subject: Re: Greatest climbing/exp'd books of all time? Date: 14 Jul 1995 11:31:04 GMT Organization: J.P. Morgan Lines: 8 Message-ID: <3u5kho$lsr@hardcopy.ny.jpmorgan.com> References: <3tv7fh$s1d@newsbf02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.75.134.161 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (X11; I; SunOS 4.1.3_U1 sun4m) X-URL: news:3tv7fh$s1d@newsbf02.news.aol.com Mike Stroud's "Shadows on the Wasteland" -- covers the first unsupported crossing of Antartica where Stroud and Ranulph Fiennes each dragged almost 500lb of supplies behind them for over three months. Its short and definately worth a look - some pretty masochistic medical experiments included. This is the counter-novel to Fiennes' version of events, an interesting contrast I hear. From cmiller@auckland.ac.nz Tue Jul 25 16:41:22 EST 1995 Article: 5783 of rec.climbing Xref: news.nsw.CSIRO.AU rec.climbing:5783 Path: news.nsw.CSIRO.AU!mel.dit.csiro.au!munnari.oz.au!comp.vuw.ac.nz!waikato!auckland.ac.nz!news From: cmiller@auckland.ac.nz (Craig Miller) Newsgroups: rec.climbing Subject: Re: Greatest climbing/exp'd books of all time? Date: 16 Jul 1995 21:10:06 GMT Organization: The University of Auckland Lines: 23 Message-ID: <3ubv7e$nls@net.auckland.ac.nz> References: <3tv7fh$s1d@newsbf02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 130.216.59.43 X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.92.1 In article <3tv7fh$s1d@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, snodawg@aol.com (Sno Dawg) says: > >I was wondering what people thought were their top three >mountaineering/expeditioning books. I'm not vastly read up on the >subject, but here are my favorites... > >#1 "Endurance" - Shackeltons Antarctic Voyage - truly gripping >#2 "Mixed Emotions" Various essays by Greg Childs >#3 "Downward Bound" Warren Harding's flame war to end all flame wars! > > >Dishonorable mention: Jim Bridwells book. Considering the potential, I >couldn't even make it through the first chapter. How about Sir Edmund Hillary's "Nothing Venture, Nothing Win". It sure inspired me when I started climbing. "Epic of Everst" by ????? who I can't remember, is also pretty good about early climbs on Everest > >Andrew From raspritz@facstaff.wisc.edu Tue Jul 25 16:41:33 EST 1995 Article: 6231 of rec.climbing Xref: news.nsw.CSIRO.AU rec.climbing:6231 Path: news.nsw.CSIRO.AU!mel.dit.csiro.au!merlin!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!simtel!news.kei.com!newshost.marcam.com!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!emory!nntp.msstate.edu!night.primate.wisc.edu!newsspool.doit.wisc.edu!news.doit.wisc.edu!news From: Rich Spritz Newsgroups: rec.climbing Subject: Re: Greatest climbing/exp'd books of all time? Date: 18 Jul 1995 22:03:28 GMT Organization: University of Wisconsin, Madison Lines: 6 Message-ID: <3uhb3g$99k@news.doit.wisc.edu> References: <3tv7fh$s1d@newsbf02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: eiger.genetics.wisc.edu All of the books mentioned are pretty great (well, maybe not all). But surprised nobody's mentioned Bonatti's "On the Heights". Maybe it's just gotten too expensive. Rich From steve5466@aol.com Tue Jul 25 17:05:05 EST 1995 Article: 6339 of rec.climbing Xref: news.nsw.CSIRO.AU rec.climbing:6339 Path: news.nsw.CSIRO.AU!metro!OzEmail!news.mel.aone.net.au!newsfeed.internetmci.com!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!dish.news.pipex.net!pipex!uunet!in1.uu.net!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: steve5466@aol.com (STEVE5466) Newsgroups: rec.climbing Subject: **NEW BOOK** "Performance Rock Climbing" Date: 18 Jul 1995 23:53:11 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 2 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <3uhvj7$28h@newsbf02.news.aol.com> Reply-To: steve5466@aol.com (STEVE5466) NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com this particular book is by Dale Goddard and Udo Neumann, very detailed, very good, for more info on how to get a copy e-mail Steve5466@aol.com From clark@silver.ucs.indiana.edu Tue Aug 1 13:11:05 EST 1995 Article: 6808 of rec.climbing Xref: news.nsw.CSIRO.AU rec.climbing:6808 Path: news.nsw.CSIRO.AU!mel.dit.csiro.au!merlin!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!msunews!uwm.edu!cs.utexas.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!usenet.ucs.indiana.edu!silver!clark From: clark@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (clovis lark) Newsgroups: rec.climbing Subject: Re: Greatest climbing/exp'd books of all time? Date: 25 Jul 95 14:36:33 GMT Organization: Indiana University, Bloomington Lines: 47 Message-ID: References: <3v12un$2g2@newsbf02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: silver.ucs.indiana.edu X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 #5 (NOV) In <3v12un$2g2@newsbf02.news.aol.com> mkword@aol.com (Mkword) writes: >>>-Jerzy Kukuska (sp?) : My Vertical World >>>-Rick Ridgeway : K2 The Last Step >>>-Peter Boardman: The Shining Mountain >>>-Edward Whimper: Scrambles Amongst the Alps >>>-Lionel Terray : (forget the name but it's about the Andes) >>>-Reinhold Messner : All 14 Eight Thousanders >>>-Joe Tasker : Savage Arena >>>-John Long: Tales from the Steep >>>-John Krakaur : >>>-Joe Brown : The Hard Years >>>-Charles Huston : K2: 8611m >>>-Lionel Terray : Conquistadors of the Useless >>>-John Roskelly : Nanda Devi >>>-Herman Buhl: Nanga Parbat Pilgrimage >>>-Maurice Herzog: Annapurna >>>-Heinrich Harrer: The White Spider >>>-Jeff Long: The Ascent >>>-Steve Roper: Camp 4 Missing here are some of the greatest accounts: K2 The Savage Mountain - Houston and Bates 7 Years in Tibet - Harrer The Crystal Horizon - Messner Nanga Parbat Solo - Messner [these 2 are his best, in my opinion. Painted Mountains - Venables [just great writing] Annapurna - Herzog First on Everest - Holzel In the Throneroom of the Mountain Gods - Rowell [just the first pages have you hooked] Men and the Matterhorn - Rebuffat [perhaps the greatest writer] ANYTHING BY SHIPTON AND TILMAN >Great list! My favorite is Boardman's "The Shining Mountain." Haven't >read Jeff Long's "The Ascent" yet, but I hope it's a hell of a lot better >than that piece of dog feces called "Angels of Light." The book that gave >us (in a weird twisted way) the movie "Cliffhanger." >I would include several books by David Roberts and the account of the 1924 >Everest Expedition (forget the exact title). Also, the book about Hugh >Herr, Second Ascent, though not that well-written, is an amazing story and >there are great Gunks passages in it. From eugene@pioneer.arc.nasa.gov Tue Aug 1 13:11:15 EST 1995 Article: 6620 of rec.climbing Xref: news.nsw.CSIRO.AU rec.climbing:6620 Path: news.nsw.CSIRO.AU!mel.dit.csiro.au!merlin!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!simtel!swidir.switch.ch!newsfeed.ACO.net!Austria.EU.net!EU.net!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!sgigate.sgi.com!enews.sgi.com!ames!onramp.arc.nasa.gov!pioneer.arc.nasa.gov!eugene From: eugene@pioneer.arc.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya) Newsgroups: rec.climbing Subject: Re: BAD CLIMBING BOOKS Date: 25 Jul 1995 21:01:28 GMT Organization: NASA Ames Res. Ctr. Mtn Vw CA 94035 Lines: 46 Message-ID: <3v3m38$oln@onramp.arc.nasa.gov> References: <3v12un$2g2@newsbf02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: pioneer.arc.nasa.gov Bad climbing books don't get published (among others). These leaves a lot of others which get published and have problems. The references panel (7) has a nice quote from Ascent when Dave Roberts reviewed "bad" books. Most books tend to suffer from those problems. Beginner books have these problems: "Nine Deadly Sins:" Sin of anachronism Sin of atavism Sin of provincialism Sin of over-specificity Sin of technique for it's own sake Sin of equipment freaking Sin of dullness Sin of moral didacticism Sin of ignorance Then bios: Alas, no mountain climber has yet written a good autobiography. ... Climbing autobiographies are written, usually by men (and an occasional woman) who are still in the thick of it, ... In short, too close to their subject to see it well. Another basic flaw stems from the form which every autobiographer seems to chose whether out of habit, imitation, or simple laziness. Namely, a chronological recipe of major climbs and expeditions. V.S. Pritchett, the Engish writer who waited until his late 60's to to begin his own autobiography, warned in a lecture once that "chronology is the death of a vast amount of autobiography." The writer, he argued, ought to view what he is doing as "conducting a search," not "traipsing down chronology." ... So impersonal, in fact, are most climbing autobiographies, that one could well paste together from them a kind of Standard Life, and thus do away with the need for writing any further ones: Start with the Anemic Childhood... Proceed with Early Poverty and Crazy Stunts. ...Interrupted by -- First Encounter with Death... Fame. (At last.) And with it, the first strange tones of public modesty. Fused with the discovery of an inner invincibility. ... Somewhere about here, life intrudes in the form of Marriage -- to a hitherto-unmentioned, henceforth hazy female. ... On to other things. There are, alas, too few new worlds to conquer, and fame and marriage have taken their toll. The climber does well to undergo, at this point, a Deeper Experience in the mountains.... He elaborates six more pages. Like Pratt says, "More fun to go climbing." From nsparker@ingr.com Tue Aug 1 13:11:47 EST 1995 Article: 6877 of rec.climbing Xref: news.nsw.CSIRO.AU rec.climbing:6877 Path: news.nsw.CSIRO.AU!mel.dit.csiro.au!merlin!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!simtel!news1.oakland.edu!vtc.tacom.army.mil!agis!ns2.mainstreet.net!news.isp.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.ingr.com!b11.b11.ingr.com!b11!nsparker From: nsparker@ingr.com (Nick Parker) Newsgroups: rec.climbing Subject: Re: Greatest climbing/exp'd books of all time? Date: 28 Jul 1995 11:57:38 -0500 Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL Lines: 16 Sender: nsparker@b11.b11.ingr.com Message-ID: References: <3v12un$2g2@newsbf02.news.aol.com> <3vb008$hkh@charlie.lif.icnet.uk> Reply-To: nsparker@ingr.com (Nick Parker) NNTP-Posting-Host: b11.b11.ingr.com X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 #1 (NOV) >>-John Roskelly : Nanda Devi I thought this one was very poorly written - it's quite a story, but it's not quite a good book. I was going to buy his autobiography, but after flipping it open and reading a few passages I put it back on the shelf. I think one of the worst I've read is Doug Scott's "The Shishapangma Expedition". Same problem -- great story, but not so great writing. Studly Stru said he's just the opposite in person -- very entertaining. David Roberts is a conspicuous omission from this list. -- Nick Parker (nsparker@ingr.com) Design & Ergonomics Group, Intergraph Corp, Huntsville, AL (Statements/opinions may not reflect official Intergraph positions.) From opland@saifr00.ateng.az.honeywell.com Tue Aug 1 13:11:51 EST 1995 Article: 6587 of rec.climbing Xref: news.nsw.CSIRO.AU rec.climbing:6587 Path: news.nsw.CSIRO.AU!mel.dit.csiro.au!merlin!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!simtel!news.kei.com!newshost.marcam.com!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!uwm.edu!src.honeywell.com!The-Star.honeywell.com!bmw.hwcae.az.Honeywell.COM!usenet From: Greg Opland Newsgroups: rec.climbing Subject: Re: Greatest climbing/exp'd books of all time? Date: 24 Jul 1995 14:30:10 GMT Organization: Honeywell, Air Transport Systems Division; Phoenix, AZ Lines: 22 Message-ID: <3v0api$l3e@bmw.hwcae.az.Honeywell.COM> References: <3tv7fh$s1d@newsbf02.news.aol.com> <3u3cq3$kqo@bmw.hwcae.az.Honeywell.COM> <3umleh$h1b@onramp.arc.nasa.gov> NNTP-Posting-Host: du02.ateng.az.honeywell.com eugene@pioneer.arc.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya) wrote: > Naw, you know better than that. > The net largely isn't literate. > You can troll based on bait using written quotes or you can troll using > other media bait like movies. One or two pseudo-intellectuals noting > stuff from books isn't representative of net.readership. > That's a Whitaker/Hornbein/AAC type of argument. A couple of years back, I would have argued with you on that one, but judging by the poor grammer and numerous mispellings you see on the net (generally the rule, rather than the exception), I think you're entirely correct. Astonishing, actually. > Obit currrent books: Richard Rhoades: Dark Sun: The Making of the > Hydrogen Bomb (amusing reading). Ever read Savage Dreams? It's on my stack, but haven't started it yet. G.