From-: cameron  Tue Oct 27 18:19:12 1998
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 18:19:03 +1100 (EST)
Subject: [MCMOD ADMIN INFO] helping Alex...
References: <199810261125.WAB01662@sid.research.canon.com.au>
From: Cameron Simpson <cs@zip.com.au>
Reply-to: cs@zip.com.au
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Organization: Canon Information Systems Research Australia, Sydney, Oz
Message-id: <19981027181859-cameron-1-02682@sid.research.canon.com.au>
To: agow@ozemail.com.au
Cc: owner-mcmod, mcmod-outgoing

Copied to the list in case anyone else wants to know this kind of thing.

| From: ALEX GOW <agow@ozemail.com.au>
| To: mcmod@research.canon.com.au
| Subject: Re: A new engine technology
[...]
| I AM TIRED OF ALL THESE MESSAGES I ASKED TO BE REMOVED FROM YOUR LIST
| PLEASE I ASK YOU DELETE MY ADDRESS .ALEX!!!!

Alex, I've done this for you.

However,
	- SHOUTING generally only pisses people off
	- sending to the list doesn't guarrentee anyone will help you;
	  the members can't help and the list admin doesn't necessarily
	  read the list anyway
	- sending to the list just spams the members instead of
	  contacting the list admin

To help you with future lists, know this:

A list you post to as
	list@host
generally has two other addresses associated with it:

    list-request@host
	An automatic service which understands commands like "subscribe"
	and "unsubscribe". (How did you join this list anyway? The usual
	method is via this address.)

    owner-list@host
	A person who handles special needs. Since it's a person, be
	verbose and polite.

For mcmod, those addresses would have been:
	mcmod-request@research.canon.com.au
    and
	owner-mcmod@research.canon.com.au

Try the -request method first, which saves bothering a person at all.
Then fall back on asking the admin if that fails repeatedly.

If you fail to get response from these addresses, your next fallback is:
	postmaster@host
(i.e. postmaster@research.canon.com.au), which is a required address at
_every_ internet site, and _required_ to reach a person.

Finally, if all these fail repeatedly then, and only then, post to the list.
And then, start a new thread with a sensible subject line like:

	please help me get off the list

or something or that order. (Try to avoid words like "subscribe" and "help";
many lists will quietly shunt such messages to the list software, which
presumably by this stage you've given up on).

Cheers,
--
Cameron Simpson, DoD#743        cs@zip.com.au        http://www.zip.com.au/~cs/

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